At the beginning of Dead Man's Chest, Beckett has his hostage, Will brought to him. He then tells Will he captured him&Elizabeth because he wants Will to get Jack's compass. He tells Will to bring the compass, "or there's no deal".

However, there's a hitch-What deal? Beckett only told Will what he wanted, and to do it or else. Never in that scene did he mention anything of Will&Elizabeth's freedom. He didn't make a deal with Will at all, he just blackmailed him.

Because of this, I do not think Will should've done Beckett's bidding and should've freed Elizabeth from jail and run. Or they could kill Beckett before running so they can be safe from Beckett. No Beckett, no more trouble.

Anyone agree?

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wow i guess as long as your around there will always be some random disussion analyzing a scene

i think that everyone asumes that the deal is in return for the compass will and liz will be freed. the movie was so long it wouldnt surpise me if the scene your talking about had more detail to it. after all will told liz " I'm to find Jack and convince him to return to Port Royal. In exchange the charges against us will be dropped." i dont think will is stupid enough to misunderstand what beckett was saying and to just asume they will be freed wothout getting clarification.

As for you saying "no beckett, no more trouble" i think that is far from the truth. if they kill beckett it would be so obvious that they did it afrter all who would believe that two escaped prisoners and beckett dead would just be a coincedence? beckett isnt the only one keeping people in order. im sure people wouldnt just let them escape especially people who not only freed a pirate but also killed lord cutler beckett.

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I thought that was a little uncalled for. It's true that Mrs. Shadow Bloom does make quite a few threads of this nature, but I think that she brings a somewhat interesting aspect to evaluating different subjects. Thanks for the explanation, though.

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I think Will did assume freedom, because he does tend to jump to conclusions(Elizabeth and Jack, anyone?) That's one of his few flaws. He thought Beckett just wanted the compass and then he and Elizabeth were free.

However, Beckett didn't say at all that he would let him&Elizabeth go. I think that's crucial when Elizabeth finds out he has only one pardon. Beckett never had any intention of letting people who associate with pirates go free.

That's why I think Will should've just broken Elizabeth out and run for it. They could ask Jack for help.

I think that the further they were away from Beckett, the safer. That's why Will doesn't worry about Elizabeth when he finds her dress. He knows she escaped Beckett, so he isn't worried.

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You've got a point there. Beckett doesnt exactly honnor is agreements as "its just good business". So even if it did mean that Will and Beckett had a non verbal agreement about both his and Elizabeths freedom, Beckett would probably still have them killed.

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What really confuses me about this "deal" ends up in AWE.
Whenever Jack gets brought aboard the Endeavour (Beckett's ship) at some point in the conversation Beckett says something like "I have this wonderful compass that points to whatever I want..."
Maybe I've missed something, but when did he ever get the compass? I'm almost certain that Jack/Liz had it throughout the entire 2nd movie. And when Norrington shows up at the end Beckett clearly asks him "Do you have the compass?" to which Norrie shakes his head and replies "Better. The heart of Davy Jones."

So either I'm just really dim, and missed something, or they never actually explain how he comes to have it. It just really bugs me. LOL.

I love when people find things to analyze about these movies. It makes me think.

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[QUOTE=horse_gerbil]What really confuses me about this "deal" ends up in AWE.
Whenever Jack gets brought aboard the Endeavour (Beckett's ship) at some point in the conversation Beckett says something like "I have this wonderful compass that points to whatever I want..."
Maybe I've missed something, but when did he ever get the compass? I'm almost certain that Jack/Liz had it throughout the entire 2nd movie. And when Norrington shows up at the end Beckett clearly asks him "Do you have the compass?" to which Norrie shakes his head and replies "Better. The heart of Davy Jones."

So either I'm just really dim, and missed something, or they never actually explain how he comes to have it. It just really bugs me. LOL.

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The deal between Will and Beckett was obviously implied. Beckett never came right out and stated that he would release them but it was implied because if he gets what he wants from Will then Will gets what he wants from Beckett. It's one of those read between the lines thing.

But the whole reason Swann freed Elizabeth was because Beckett had no intention of releasing them at all. It was all a trap for them. He only had one pardon.

Beckett never implied anything. He wanted Will to think he would gain his freedom. And think Will did, although I don't think he trusted Beckett's word.

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That is what implied means. He made Will think that he would release them by implying it. "I get what I want, you get what you want" basically is what he said. You also have to consider the fact that Will isn't the brightest crayon in the box. He allows his love for Elizabeth to blind him in his judgement. That is how Beckett was able to make him think he would release them. No, he didn't trust Beckett and he clearly stated that he didn't but also stated that there wasn't any other choice to make. Swann only assumed there was only one pardon, but as we seen when Elizabeth got to Beckett's there was indeed one for all of them and she had them signed and sealed holding Beckett at gunpoint.

Well, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think he got it when Will went over to Beckett's ship in AWE. He brought the compass with him because when he told Beckett he could lead him to Shipwreck Cove Beckett asked Will how he planned to lead him there and Will held up the compass and asked "What is it you want most?" (or something like that).

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Sorry to confuse you even more, but Beckett had the compass long before that. It was when Jack was making his deal with Beckett. Will didn't give him the compass until long after that.

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But didn't Jack meet with Beckett after Will did??? I don't know maybe I'm confusing the parts!

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I think you are When Sao Feng and Will took over the Pearl, Jack was taken to Beckett when Beckett revealed he had Jack's compass. After that, when Will escaped the brig, Jack gave him the compass before sending him to Beckett.

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OH!!!

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To be fair I never really noticed this, I just assumed that it was William Turner is to get Jack's compass, take it to him and then Elizabeth Swann will be free.

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Beckett's comment of "Unlike you Mr. Turner. You and your fiancee face the hangman's noose. Bring me the compass or there is no deal." That clearly implies the deal between them. Beckett gets the compass he wants and Will free's himself and Elizabeth.